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Kor · Moderator Wiek: 30 Dołączył: 25 Kwi 2004 Skąd: Mstuff

WHY IS it felt that the continued elevation of J K Rowling can only be achieved at the expense of other writers (Mistress of magic, News Review, last week)? Now we learn that prior to Harry Potter the world of fantasy was plagued with knights and ladies morris-dancing to Greensleeves.

In fact the best of it has always been edgy and inventive, with the dark heart of the real world being exactly what, underneath the top dressing, it is all about. Ever since The Lord of the Rings revitalised the genre, writers have played with it, reinvented it, subverted it and bent it to the times. It has also contained some of the very best, most accessible writing for children, by writers who seldom get the acknowledgement they deserve.

Rowling says that she didn't realise that the first Potter book was fantasy until after it was published. I'm not the world's greatest expert, but I would have thought that the wizards, witches, trolls, unicorns, hidden worlds, jumping chocolate frogs, owl mail, magic food, ghosts, broomsticks and spells would have given her a clue?

Terry Pratchett
Salisbury, Wiltshire

Skonto · Wiek: 23 Dołączył: 09 Kwi 2004

Cytat:

Rowling says that she didn't realise that the first Potter book was fantasy until after it was published. I'm not the world's greatest expert, but I would have thought that the wizards, witches, trolls, unicorns, hidden worlds, jumping chocolate frogs, owl mail, magic food, ghosts, broomsticks and spells would have given her a clue?

IMO respect za ten tekst :lol:

btd · Wiek: 32 Dołączył: 08 Sie 2005 Skąd: Tychy

hehehe I to jest wlasnie sarkazm i ironia ktorymi chcialbym tak operowac jak Pterry

Aida · Gość

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
Hehehe za to go lubię.

A swoją drogą - co za ściema!

settler · Pirat Rabarbar Dołączył: 14 Lut 2004 Skąd: Gdańsk

Widac, czemu Terry jest tak lubiany

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Kor · Moderator Wiek: 30 Dołączył: 25 Kwi 2004 Skąd: Mstuff

A jednak nie atak na panią Rowling.

...z najnowszego (101) Discworld Monthly:

If you read the title of a recent article on the BBC's website
"Pratchett takes swipe at Rowling" you would think that Terry had
done a "Prescott" on the Harry Potter author. However, with a
little research it would appear that nothing could be further from
the truth.

Whilst the BBC decided that Terry's recent letter to the Sunday
Times was an attack on J K Rowling it would appear that it was in
fact an attack on sloppy journalism. But as Terry later put in a
post on a Harry Potter forum - "out there now, I believe, are
various morphs of the BBC piece, with extra venom. You don't have to
think about it, just react. 'Pratchett Attacks Journalist' just
would not be as much fun. Every story needs a villain, right?"

What made Terry write to The Times was the current view of
ill-informed journalists who are of the opinion that fantasy was on
its last legs and that J K Rowling has single-handedly rejuvenated
the fantasy genre. In his letter Terry stated: "WHY IS it felt that
the continued elevation of J K Rowling can only be achieved at the
expense of other writers (Mistress of Magic, News Review, last
week)? Now we learn that prior to Harry Potter the world of fantasy
was plagued with 'knights and ladies morris-dancing to
Greensleeves.'"

The closest Terry came to attacking J K Rowling in any way was his
response to her claim that she didn't realise she was writing a
fantasy novel [The Philosophers Stone] until it was finished.
Terry's response, in typical tongue in cheek form, read: "I would
have thought that the wizards, witches, trolls, unicorns, hidden
worlds, jumping chocolate frogs, owl mail, magic food, ghosts,
broomsticks and spells would have given her a clue?"

Hopefully now that Terry has explained his views publicly and some
of the more excitable Harry Potter fans have calmed down a bit we
can all move on. And maybe some of the ill-informed journalists
will take a little time to do some research. They may even enjoy
some of it.

Skonto · Wiek: 23 Dołączył: 09 Kwi 2004

A już myślałem że będzie wojna z fanami Pottera :wink:

. Może i jesteśmy mniej liczni, ale liczy się jakość, a nie ilość. A odnośnie listu - nie należy wierzyć mediom o czym się wielokrotnie przekonałem...

Słupek · VIP Wiek: 21 Dołączył: 29 Kwi 2004

Jak szukałem informacji o tym artykule, to natrafiłem na anglojęzyczne forum o HP. Tam to były dopiero "loty". PTerry'ego nazywano zazdrosnym, nic nie znaczącym starcem. Nikomu nie znanym itp. Znalazły sie moze dwie osoby broniące Pratchetta i doceniające jego literaturę. Jednak najbardziej zagorzali fani Pottera to dzieciuchy i krzykacze.

PS. Żeby nie było, lubię HP, nie mam nic do innych co lubią ten cykl, ale fanatyzm jest szkodliwy.

Blade_Master

Cytat:

ale fanatyzm jest szkodliwy.

Racja, racja

Wystarczy spojrzeć na fanow HP, i już nie mówię o kibicach KSZO, którzy by palce wyrwali, jeżeliby się powiedziało, że ich klub jest do bani

Jak ktoś powiedział w Kiepskich - W Kupie Siła

Skonto · Wiek: 23 Dołączył: 09 Kwi 2004

Kor · Moderator Wiek: 30 Dołączył: 25 Kwi 2004 Skąd: Mstuff

Oto co napisał Pterry na Usnetowej liście dyskusyjnej alt.fan.harry-potter jakiś czas po słynnym liście:

Let's take it a bit at a time. You know what I wrote, because I think the entire text has been quoted here somewhere. No, in fact not the *entire* text--the original letter sent to the Sunday Times referred to JKR quite politely as Ms Rowling; a small courtesy, but deleting it makes the relevant sentence twice as harsh, which may be why it was done

And the BBC website put a nice little spin on things with a headline suggesting I'm directing a tirade at J K Rowling, rather than expressing annoyance at the habits of journalists and specifically one telling phrase* clearly used by someone else*.

As soon as the Harry Potter boom began, journalists who hadn't read a children's book in years went "Wow, a wizards'school! Wow, broomstick lessons! " and so on, and generally acted as though the common property of the genre was the entire invention of JKR. This continues, sometimes quite ridiculously. And now we have Groomsman's 'knights and ladies Morris dancing to Greensleeves' With such an easy wave we can dismiss, oh, Ursula leGuin, Diana Wynn Jones, Jane Yolen, Peter Dickinson Alan Garner...fill in the list.

Pointing this out is, apparently, an attack on JKR. I don't have any problem at all with her rise, only with such third-party silliness such as the above, which insults good authors who wrote great books at a time, not long ago, when advances were always low and hype was unknown.

No, I do not think these words originated with her. It's self-evident in the article that they are the voice of the interviewer, who is very . visible in the piece. The tone and presentation make it obvious. Read the paragraph beginning 'It is precisely Rowling's lack of sentimentality...' He's giving us *his* opinion, and the guy just had a nice line he wanted to use. Read the context and say I'm wrong.

And remember: what I was doing was apparently the right of every Englishman, which was to write a letter to The Times -- for an audience that can be assumed to have read, with some intelligence, the article in question. Believe me, if the ST guys had read it as an attack on the lady herself, it would have been an article, not a letter.

But out there now, I believe, are various morphs of the BBC piece, with extra venom. You don't have to think about it, just react. 'Pratchett Attacks Journalist' just would not be as much fun. Every story needs a villain, right?

And then there's my question. Why didn't the interviewer ask it? Here's the worlds best-selling fantasy writer who has just said she hadn't thought she was writing fantasy and also that she doesn't really like the stuff. She goes on to say that she didn't finish TLOTR or the Narnia series and has issues with Lewis. No problem there, but all this revelatory stuff just floated past, apparently unexamined. Id like to know how an author can write in a genre she doesn't like-- really. I'd like to know what she thinks she *is* writing.

I'm jealous? Well, that saves having to have any discussion at all, right?

But I will pick up on the comments about Tiffany Aching and 'the school for witches'. As he Discworld take on Witch v. Wizard magic has been in place for a very long time. Tiffany's daydream of a magical school' *could *be Hogwarts --or Unseen University or Miss Cackle's Academy or any fantasy school or all or none. It might even be five seconds of Tiffany's wishful thinking. So what? Granny Weatherwax's often voiced distrust of books, magical tools goes all the way back to 'Equal Rites' in 1987. Why should she suddenly be talking about another author's creations?

-- Terry Pratchett

Mostly Human · Dołączyła: 30 Maj 2004

Co tu dużo mówić? Inteligentna wypowiedź inteligentnego człowieka posród całego tego, niekoniecznie sensownego młyna wokół HP. Problem w tym, że właśnie takie opinie najczęściej giną gdzieś w tłumie krzykaczy, którzy nie umieją nawet znaleźć żadnego konkretnego kontrargumentu. Chociaż w sumie niby skąd :wink:

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