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banita · Dołączył: 15 Kwi 2004 Skąd: znienacka

Trafiłem na pewną zagadkę. Nie pierwszy już raz obił mi się o uszy tytuł "Uberwald Nights". Zacząłem więc szperać po sieci i szukać czegoś więcej na ten temat. Niestety nie znalazłem żadnej książki pod takim tytułem. Wtedy gdzieś wyczytałem, że "Uberwald Nights" to była robocza wersja tytułu "The 5th elephant". Tymczasem teraz w sieci natknąłem się na strony z których wynika, że "UN" i "5E" to jednak nie to samo...
http://free.of.pl/m/msd/strona/index2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/...a/6323/list.htm
Z tego co tam piszą wynika, że UB zostało napisane rok wcześniej.
Czy ktoś wie coś więcej na temat tego tajemniczego "Uberwald Nights"?

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alt.fan.pratchett podaje, że:

Uberwald Nights.
Doesn't Exist. Will Never Exist.
Made up by the irc channel.
A Cruel Prank.

ewentualnie.

"Uberwald Nights" hat es nicht mal zum Arbeitstitel geschafft. Jemand schlug den Titel für eine in der Scheibenwelt-Region 'Überwald' spielende Geschichte vor und irgendwie verbreitete sich in 'Stille Post'-Manier der Mythos, dies wäre der Titel für das Buch, das dann später als "Carpe Jugulum" (oder auch "The Fifth Elephant", das eigentlich mehr von der avisierten Handlung enthält) erschien. Ursprung war offenbar eine Aussage von Terry 1997, wovon die folgenden, noch nicht angefangenen, zwei Romane vermutlich ganz grob handeln würden
Es gibt noch eine ganze Reihe weiterer Arbeitstitel bzw. 'ausgedachter' Titel, die dann verworfen wurden - nur erlangten die meisten keine nennenswerte Popularität. Bekannt sind mir momentan "Unclear Physics", "Words in the Head", "Indian Summer" (später mutiert in "Klatchian Summer"), "Uberwald Nights", "The Last Tramp" und "Secret Societies".
Der neueste Discworld-Roman "Night Watch" lief vorübergehend unter dem Arbeitstitel "The Nature of the Beast", der aber verworfen wurde, weil erst kürzlich ein Werk gleichen Titels (10/2001, Frances Fyfield) erschienen ist und somit Verwirrung vorprogrammiert gewesen wäre.

The Fifth Elephant (the working title of which had been Uberwald Nights)

To chyba rozwiązuje sprawę

From: RugbyRich
Date: Wed Aug 25, 1999 11:40 pm
Subject: My chat with Terry (long)

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That's Right, THE Terry Pratchett.
 Well,
firstly I'm pretty certain it was Terry or if not it was
someone who knew a lot about him. I should have printed a
transcript of the conversation shouldn't I? Well here's what
I can remember of it:
 At first I was suspicious
as his profile mentions Carpe Jugulum and Uberwald
Nights, I thought Uberwald Nights was Carpe Jugulum but
he said no, Uberwald nights was now The 5th
Elephant(the next book).
 I said: thanks for clearing that
up.
 HIM: No worries 
ME: Lol I've just finished The Last
Continent, I though it was your best along with small
gods. 
HIM: Are you the same Rugby that used to be in
AFP? 
ME: I used to post a bit a while ago 
HIM:
Originally from NZ right? 
ME: No 
HIM: oh, I'm thinking
of someone else then Did you know I've left
AFP? 
ME: Yes, something to do with people guessing at
storeys right? 
ME: Is that how you spell
storeys? 
HIM: They got very close, it made me sweat. HIM:
stories 
ME: They really got that close? 
HIM: Yes. Have you
read Carpe Jugulum? 
ME: No, not yet so dont spoil
it for me

HIM: Ok I won't spoil it for you,
but there was an extended thread going on for a
couple of weeks in which they were discussing one of the
main characters, certainly made me sweat. 
ME:
Couldn't you just ask them to stop? 
ME: I guess you
did? 
HIM: No why should I? 
ME: Well, you could explain
to them why and let them make the choice. I'm sure
AFP was better when you posted. 
HIM: Not
necessarily, every thread I posted to immediately became
[R] Not all, for exaple, the Loch Ness Monster thread was
completely [I] 
HIM: *smile* Well, that was a long time
ago. 
ME: Can I ask a question about Theatre of
Cruelty 
HIM: Shoot 
ME: How come Carrot can see and talk to
death? 
HIM: People in heightened states of awareness can see
him, and people who know he's there can see
him. 
ME: Oh right, so you only cant see him if you dont
believe he's there? 
HIM: Something like that, being
the auther I'm allowed to fiddle around with the
legend a bit

ME: Like the alternative
pasts? 
HIM: Exactly. 
ME: Well, it's been really nice
pestering you but I think it's my bedtime. 
ME: I also
noticed Borass was wrong. 
HIM: eh? It's nearly 1am, I
usually go to bed at 11pm, remind me. 
ME: err? Don't
forget you usually go to bed at 11pm Terry? 
HIM:
About Borass... 
ME: In the front of the Discworld
Mapp, XXXX broke away from the counterweight continent.
Possibly on wheels of some kind. 
ME: I cant believe you
forget these things. 
HIM: It happens. 
HIM: Well,
like you said, alternate pasts. 
ME: Well, sorry to
bore you with a [R] conversation. <Terry Logs
off> 
ME: Do you sometimes get bored with the
discworld? 
ME: Oh, he's gone. Goodnight then Terry.

banita · Dołączył: 15 Kwi 2004 Skąd: znienacka

Dzięki Aido. Faktycznie wszystko już jasne.
Swoją drogą szkoda, że 5E zastąpił Uberwald Nights. Mnie, ten drugi tytuł podoba się dużo bardziej...